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Luc Lelievre's avatar

Unsurprisingly, there’s no 'Nuremberg 2.0' for this—yet we know exactly who’s behind it.

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Mo's avatar

And who's that? Do tell.

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

"Zhe Jews are zhe ones behind zhe socialists!" No? Well, at least that's what the Woke Right/National Socialists would say... BTW - why this hatred for people who essentially just wanna believe in Jehovah? Is it because (as James explains) what's truly behind socialism is Gnosticism and Gnostics are essentially Luciferians who hate Jehovah and the people who worship him? No? Just spitballing here...

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Mo's avatar

Karl Marx, obsessed with money, yet refused to ever work. For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone follows him. He was horrible, even to his own parents, wife, and children!

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Mo's avatar

I loved The Devil & Karl Marx!

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

Looking at the background the entire time - hammer and sickle - the implements of Saturn the Pagan deity and literally the astronomical symbol for Saturn to this day. And of course the shining 5 pointed red star - the morning star - Lucifer in Latin. Those are all symbols for Saturn - known in antiquity as the morning star and the true sun.

Lucifer in the Bible is NOT the devil - it's "just" the morning star - the light bringer - and in Revelation 22 even Jesus is identified as "the bright Morning Star". But in Isaiah 14 Lucifer is a tyrant that persecutes the people believing in Jehovah. A man who thinks that he can be his own light bringer - his own savior and even his own God.

So Lucifer/Morning Star in the Bible is neither the devil nor a name, but rather a title akin to the title of Savior/Messiah. And of course both Jesus as well as mere humans claim to be the Messiah.

“How you are fallen from heaven,

O Lucifer, son of the morning!

How you are cut down to the ground,

You who weakened the nations!

For you have said in your heart:

‘I will ascend into heaven,

I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;

I will also sit on the mount of the congregation

On the farthest sides of the north;

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,

I will be like the Most High.’

Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,

To the lowest depths of the Pit.

“Those who see you will gaze at you,

And consider you, saying:

‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,

Who shook kingdoms,

Who made the world as a wilderness

And destroyed its cities,

Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’

“All the kings of the nations,

All of them, sleep in glory,

Everyone in his own house;

But you are cast out of your grave

Like an abominable branch,

Like the garment of those who are slain,

Thrust through with a sword,

Who go down to the stones of the pit,

Like a corpse trodden underfoot.

You will not be joined with them in burial,

Because you have destroyed your land

And slain your people.

The brood of evildoers shall never be named.

Isaiah 14:12-20

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